If I didn't know that I would have done the same. Sorry. Brian Rohrbough, father of victim Daniel Rohrbough, said he was outraged that the Klebolds likened the day of the shootings to a natural disaster in the interview with Brooks. Why does anyone think that parents know or care what their children do? No scientist knows this absolutely. I was just worried Dylan was unhappy (p. 227). When it came to intervention, these people had no idea what they should have been doing. He deflates a lot of myths surrounding the event. The Klebolds attorney, Gary Lozow, told The Denver Post the Klebolds had no plans to grant any other interviews. Were not qualified to sort this out. , What was the deadliest school shooting? Dylan takes the camera then and begins filming Eric. Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold. On April 20, 1999, two teenage gunmen kill 13 people in a shooting spree at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, south of Denver. Dylan Klebold was suicidal for several years before Columbine. This thread is going to hell in jig time if it turns into the all-too-familiar "they were running up and down the aisles and that caused Columbine!!!" No matter how angry they were they wouldn't be able to kill that many without those weapons. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris killed 13 people on April 20, 1999, before taking their own lives. ", Dylan: (sticks his face in the camera) "Goodbye. The goal seems to have been parental appeasement. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the gunman, had been bullied for several years prior to the massacre. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Attention was paid. Other than that, we don't have much indication that Tom was anything other than a good father. "He got his satisfaction by dominating." While Id argue that violent media doesnt cause people to act violently if theyre not otherwise inclined, it seems Dylan was vulnerable to the violent games and movies he consumed outside the home. Eric Harris's father (Wayne Harris) was a former Air Force pilot stationed at Plattsburgh AFB in New York, rumored to be linked to covert operations such as mind control. Theyd never seen his rage, nor ever felt scared of him. Eric's parents were both born in Colorado but while his father Wayne Harris was working in the Air Force as a transport pilot, Wayne held 11 different positions at six different bases in Ohio . As a . Susan Francis Klebold ( ne Yassenoff; born March 25, 1949) is an American author and activist. Of course there is no formula for determining whether someone will turn out to be a school shooter, but I definitely agree with the sentiment that it is important to look at how these things happen. And then later on, how was he able to conceal his mental state so successfully? Good thing I did because Dylan hasn't exactly risen to a level of responsibility in my absence. He has always been excessively cruel to animals (he even shot and killed his own dog because it barked), obsessed with weapons, "charmingly" manipulative of adults, a pathological liar, disdainful of other people and abusive to them and VERY quick to anger. The problem, Cullen concludes, was that there is almost nothing that can be done to help psychopaths. I can't remember. Byron Klebold is Dylan's older brother - photo of him at link. His parents were both born in Colorado but while he was working in the Air Force as a transport pilot, Wayne Harris held 11 . This page is focused on the tragedy as well as its perpetrators so we can try to better understand the psychology and motives behind this horrific event. Now everybody expects the schools to fix everything for them. My mom and I have always thought that my brother is one "snap" away from ending up hurting someone and/or in jail. She behaves as if it is normal, as if she doesn't even hear it. Kids do know about their frineds. Getty, AP, AP, AFP/Getty. Harris parents, Wayne and Kathy Harris, have never spoken to reporters. Dylan kept talking about college, about his future. This was murder, he said. It didn't help matters any that our father was an abusive asshole. Ken Caryl Middle, where he met Dylan Klebold. Maybe I'm just feeling too knowledgeable having been re-reading Steve Pinker's "How The Mind Works" recently. On Dylan's part, I think that in January 1999, he was depressed and preparing to die - distancing himself from those he loved, so that it would be easier for him to carry out the attack. Adding to the tragedy: Six months after Hochhalter's wounding, her mother, Carla, took her own life. Tom and I failed to recognize these conditions and to curtail the influences violent entertainment, his friendship with Eric that exacerbated them. 5. The couple said they felt under siege after the shooting and never had a chance to grieve for their son. "American Tragedy" premieres at the Boston Film Festival on Thursday at 7 p.m. With these many, many factors in mind, I turn to A Mothers Reckoning. His father claimed his body but the burial site is unknown. [quote]You have to ignore a whole lot of what is wrong with society to limit it to a bogus discussion about how some people have "brains wired differently." His parents were Wayne Harris and his wife Katherine Ann Poole. Not to cure it, to manage it. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Asking how instead of why allows us to frame the descent into self-destructive behavior as the process that it is. I think we can value Sue's words more than Dylan's words in this one. It was obvious that the attack had been in the works for a long time, and the plan carefully thought out. It's always about management. Tom had a huge hobby for fixing up BMW's. Making intentions known ahead of time? . When I hear this "We never knew a thing was wrong with our child!" OP, I agree with you. I got picked on a lot and dealt with a lot of shit from the "jocks" and the "cool kids." After sitting and waiting for 13 hours, I just needed to get home. She is the author of A Mother's Reckoning, a book about the signs she missed of Dylan's mental state. His dad followed him around with a camcorder, capturing every move. Most shouldn't have ever been parents in the first place. Shocking crime scene photos explode the myths and reveal shocking details! But perhaps he/she IS a charter member of the Reb&VoDKa fan club - and you're just going to IGNORE it? People that want to pretend that the parents were just innocent distant bystanders who had no responsibility for anything that happened are repulsive. And society does not want to deal with real problems, so it easier to label people, and just forget about the whole thing. These incidents happen because the majority of people choose to look the other way if a kid seems a little off. The oblivious parents in Target or sitting inside their houses listening to their kids having a meltdown and completely ignoring it. I wanted an apology. "In my opinion, what went on in their home led to Columbine.". ", Eric: "Morris, Nate, if you guys live, I want you guys to have whatever you want from my room and the computer room.". One young doctor said, "I don't know if you can teach compassion, but you surely can teach the opposite! Harris was born in Wichita, Kansas, on April 9, 1981. I'm with VoTN on this one. . ". Harris' family eventually settled in Colorado in 1992. . Tom's surgery was today. R77, there are people who don't have feelings. He's wearing a plaid shirt, either dark blue or black with white; the shirt's untucked. Just know I'm going to a better place. Im horrified, Dawn Anna, whose daughter Lauren Townsend was killed at Columbine, told The Associated Press. I read recently that neither set of parents ever spoke publicly or to the media. Ten years after the Columbine killings, the Harris family has not spoken publicly at all, and the Klebold parents have given one interview, to the columnist David Brooks here at the New York Times. For a couple reasons. As she says, The rest of the world could explain away what he had done: either he was born evil a bad seed or hed been raised without moral guidance. Sue (as both she and her son share the same surname, Im going to refer to them by their first names for the sake of clarity) begins by emphasizing that she and her husband, Tom, truly had no idea what Dylan was planning. That kid was born with some sort of brain injury. I'm not doubting what you're saying, and if you've got any insight, I'd love to hear it, but short of actually going in and manually rewiring neurons, it just seems like the best case scenario would be non-destructive analytical automaton. (Stephanie . And now she won't show it. Did Harris or Klebold have any siblings? I think it is really interesting to think about the many things that lead someone to commit a school shooting. Oprah asked the teachers to describe Harris/Klebold, the teachers talked about how they didn't fit in, wore trenchcoats, seemed troubled and dangerous, and so on. "So we're back to Pavlov and Skinner. Dylan: (predicting his parents' feelings of regret) "If only we could have reached them sooner, or found this tape. So I'm gone. [] Asking why only makes us feel hopeless. . These are all great examples of Tom's relationship with Dylan. The Harrises moved away almost immediately. LITTLETON, Colo., April 24 - The parents of Dylan Klebold, one of the teenage shooters in the Columbine High School massacre, said goodbye to their dead son . You teach them to recognize triggers that exacerbate symptoms. Indeed, up until he died, he had been going to school, working a part-time job, hanging out with his friends, planning for college all behaviors of a normal teenager. In Cub Scouts, he was a bright, dedicated boy who worked hard for his badges. I kind of admire that. Harris also had sadistic tendencies, which propelled him to "seek vengeance.". Victim's parents reactThe Klebolds comments was criticized late Saturday by some of the victims parents. I also agree with R7. Looking back on the textbooks suggested traits of school shooters, weve already seen above how Dylan does actually map onto many of them. I havent done anything for which I need forgiveness, Susan Klebold said. Thank you! The world was shocked and sickened on April 20, 1991, when crazed students Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, slaughtered 12 students and one teacher at Colorado's Columbine High School. His parents knew this, though not the extent of it. (They werent.) So they actually DO blame the kids for setting off their little angels on a murderous rampage. Eric David Harris (April 9, 1981 - April 20, 1999) and Dylan Bennet Klebold (/ . Sue is from a prominent Jewish community . Subject: Re: The Klebolds are DIVORCED Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:17 pm. Dylan also writes in his journal that. Serious victim mentality with both of them. There was a creepy thread started by a sociopathic OP a couple of weeks ago where this was discussed. Theres to me a level of skepticism we have usually of course with the scraps of info we had, but also the slight weirdness/more to it/unreliability when it came down to this particular topic, Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylans best friend. ". Sociopaths are born, but people who remain sociopaths as they age: either missed puberty; or had bad parents. I suppose it's ok to let children scream in restaurants and theaters as well? But even if you work with them to avoid their *own* pain, that's a start. In this case, the other shooter played a pivotal role in stoking Dylans rage and allowing him to break out of his own passivity and actually take steps toward the suicide he craved. They had heard the gunmen may have been part of the Trench Coat Mafia, a loose group of students, including their son, who said athletes at Columbine bullied them. Bartol, C. R., & Bartol, A. M. (2017). He was easy to raise, a pleasure to be with, a child who had always made us proud (Klebold, 2016, p. 61). Here, let me get your coats for you. In my opinion, what went on in their home led to Columbine.. Sunday, April 25, 1999; Page A8. KleboldI started reading the Columbine book, how does he try to explain Klebold? Firstly, like everyone else he didnt pick up on his mental health nor was Dylan apparently showing it to his best friend. I do find it odd that youd characterise your 17 year old son as your best friend anyway, youre his father. They cry innocence and ignorance, when I know they were anything BUT. Haven't most of you been able to conceal your homosexuality from your family for a number of years? Also when I was growing up, people had no qualms about calling a parent and saying "Your little boy Johnny said something really awful to my son today." or "Your little Janey slapped Susey today and she needs to stop doing that." Every parent has flaws and every parent makes mistakes, but to me they mostly come across as a very normal family like there are millions all over the world. We monitored what movies our boys could see, and put them to bed with stories and prayers and hugs (p. 61). Harris was excelling in classes in the year leading up to the murders. I am with R14 and 15. They do not have a moral center that can be reached. The second of the Columbine killers, Dylan Klebold was a "born genius" who, despite a sensitive disposition, experienced explosions of rage (most often brought on by failure or humiliation,) suicidal tendencies, a disdain for the "zombie"-like human race, and a suggestibility upon which the psychopathic . The glaring one that Americans seem unable to see is the huge amount of available weapons in the US. Ed Berg, a former business associate who has talked to Tom Klebold since the shootings, said Dylan's father has come to grips with the boy's crime. Reb". Am I supposed to be impressed by dates, VOTN? Dylan has been so reclusive. Dylan Klebold's father contacted authorities, saying the boy might be involved and offering to help, Jefferson County District Attorney Dave . It would be satisfying to blame the parents. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Wayne - who owned guns himself - told the clerk he hadn't ordered any clips. Dylan wrote an essay about a school shooting that disturbed his teacher enough that it was referred to the school counselor. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were charged with theft, criminal mischief, and criminal trespassing for breaking into a van and . Sue Klebold decided to speak up now because she wants to tell other parents the signs she missed and what she would do differently. Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. in CJ 725, Tagged: columbine, mass murderer, mental illness, school shootings. Dylan Bennett Klebold. WTF?!? Unfortunately, we only have her word today as to what went on in the home. Although in their rantings, they seemed to have special hatred for fags, and various other epithets for minorities that I don't even like to write, let alone speak. WOuldn't one of the friends have felt him a little bit off, at the least? I don't really know what to say about the parents. They have grown up to be (somewhat) upstanding members of society, but I don't see how it is so easy to go from knowing your kid is making crank calls and setting off amateur pipe bombs to seeing him as a psychopathic murderer. Few more places I can't think of now. . It's still about management. The big trifecta of psychopathology. VOTN, they used to think blood-letting and reading the bumps on people's head was science, too. 1/12 Tom is home from the hospital. Yaron Steinbuch. So no, nothing in the gifted program could have helped this kid. . After-hours phone calls to Times officials were not returned, and Brooks did not immediately respond to an e-mail request for comment. She's spent years excavating every detail of her family life, trying to understand what she could have done to prevent her son's violence. Even after he broke into a car and stole stuff, there was no monitoring of his time spent making pipe bombs or firing guns or playing video games that glorified killing. The narrator seemed to revel in the graphic violence he was depicting, but it was the final passage that was particularly disturbing, where Dylan conveyed unabashed awe and . When early word came that the Trench Coat Mafia may be involved in the shooting, Tom ran downstairs to look for Dylans trench coat, which he couldnt find, Lozow said. I do find it odd that you'd characterise your 17 year old son as your 'best friend' anyway, you're his father. That doesn't mean that it's always successful. Wayne & Kathy Harris' son is widely seen as the . Or, as Eric himself said, quoting Shakespeare, in the farewell video he left for his parents: x93Good wombs have borne bad sons.x94. however, in her book, sue shared a diary entry she wrote of an incident in the months before the massacre: 1/11/99 This long, hard day is over. They then killed themselves in the school library. When you think about it, in his journals he didn't have too much positive to say across the board. I'd add that Tom watched the basement tapes and even after seeing them first-hand, stated something to the effect of 'see he didn't want to do it' (I'm paraphrasing here). additionally, dylan was definitely naturally shy. . The bombing was planned for April 19th, to coincide with the Oklahoma bombing, but for some reason, they were set back to the 20th. Has anyone seen it who can comment? I'm sorry, all right. In April 1981, Harris was born in Wichita, Kansas. The recruiter cold-called him. Wayne worked as a transport pilot for the United States Air Force, while . Don't believe me? The term "psychopath" was in academic use by the early 1910s, and the definitive work on psychopathy was published in 1941. The couple took issue with people who say they forgive them for what happened. And for a best friend, did they spend much time together at all? In a story for Sundays editions of The Post, Lozow related the first moments after the Klebolds learned of the shooting. He didn't even say hi to Tom or ask how he was. The teachers at Columbine all seemed incredibly disengaged. Based on the end of Cullen's book, who was of course supposed to be a guest, most of them have moved on. If anything, they seemed to hate everyone equally. Can you imagine having one of those monsters as your brother? We relate. Then Oprah asked if they ever reached out to them or spoke to their parents - not one of them had done a thing. Tom is a geophysicist, Sue works with handicapped people. Hail Reb &VoDka!!!!!!!!! Growing up in Ohio, she had a mixed religious upbringing with her Christian mother and Jewish father. Klebold and Dylan's father, Tom, endured not only . Eric's dad answered a phone call from Green Mountain Guns. There are a lot more R&V followers out there than you would think. I think Tom had high expectations of Dylan and may have been a little bit of a nag, but in these regards he wasn't much different than a lot of parents. Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two shooters at Columbine High School in 1999 who killed 15 people before ending their own lives, a tragedy that saddened and galvanized the nation. 5 feet 6.5 inches tall, 135-140 pounds. IE 11 is not supported. armed with one 10-shot hi-point model 995 carbine rifle, one intratec ab-10 (tec-9) pistol, two savage 12-gauge shotguns, and as many as . Good-bye. In the April 24 column, Brooks had paraphrased an article in the online publication Slate that said Harris and Klebold yearned to become the most prolific mass murders in history. FULL DOCO - PT 2 OF 3, 2. As a teen, Dylans aversion to embarrassment became more severe, his self-consciousness more pointed. But a new book, x93Columbine,x94 by Dave Cullen, reviews every bit of evidence about the shooting short of the parentsx92 firsthand accounts x97 25,000 pages of documents, including videotapes and journals of the killers x97 all of which point to the same chilling conclusion as the Carneal depositions: it is entirely possible for x93goodx94 parents to raise a murderer. [quote]Am I supposed to be impressed by dates, VOTN? And then later on, how was he able to conceal his mental state so successfully? Kids hide things. "Hey, Sci-fi-tologist, fuck off with your anti-psychology bullshit". Eric's also wearing a plaid shirt that's either dark blue or black with white, with a white t-shirt on underneath. They haff come here to haff a nice dinner und a nice time. You shouldn't attack people for the actions of their offspring. When he heard reports of gunmen in trench coats rampaging through Columbine High, it's reported, that Thomas Klebold (the father of Dylan) contacted authorities, because he suspected his son might be involved and offered his help as a negotiator.. Dylan was also drinking at the end of his life, likely complicating his mental health issues, though had once said that marijuana was a waste of time and so perhaps wasnt involved in drugs. [quote]No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. Jefferson County Public Schools officials have consistently denied that bullying was tolerated or that athletes received special treatment. Mrs. Klebold had her hair done the day after the shooting. We are not there yet. A Further Examination: Sue Klebold's case study of her son, Dylan Klebold.
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