You have unwittingly tripped up your own argument here. Rather like italicising. We can effectively automate trust. Mr. Money Mustache shares his opinion about Bitcoin. Not the only reason, but if earnings dont pan out, stock prices wont necessarily drop. Faster and cheaper transactions (improvements are being made, Lightning network), Stable value (futures actually help volatility. Basic Economics Vijay. Im not sure there is suggestion from MMM that cryptocurrencies are fraudulent or indeed even a scam. Id much rather invest in shares of Ripple Inc than in XRP. I agree with you. Mr. Doesnt mean you cant speculate to help you get to FIRE sooner though. Perhaps its the utter lack of any regulation that baffles me, because blockchain I do kinda get, which is why I did put some money into IBM (yes, very un-Mustachian) after reading about their auto-encryption developments and its applicability in protecting personal info and consumer data. Just like we could end the climate castrophie in a couple years if everyone decided it was a priority and started working together to fix it, we can end milennia of war and economic oppression in just a decade or two, if we take back control of our money. A whole Bitcoin? Id like to address each. At least theyre cute and the grand kids like them! Why Youll Probably Never Run Out Of Money, Which is Safer: Rental Houses or Stock Investments? Im sorry MMM, but the consensus is that your fingernails are worth nothing (you couldnt even pay me to hold them), and that 1 BTC is worth more than your bike. But in reality, both stocks AND bonds are in a bubble. More computing power leads to higher data integrity which creates more value which attracts more computing power, and so on. So owning gold is not insane at a reasonable price. You cannot have blockchain without bitcoin. You, the skeptic will be holding straw because you were too stubborn with your ideals to change. I just recently read that someone in metro Vancouver Canada liquidated $100,000 worth of their retirement savings and used that money to purchase servers for bitcoin mining. Im pretty disappointed that no one responded to the points brought up by Mark D. Just more tulip bulb analogies, glib dismissals, etc. My investment strategy will continue to be more couch-potato and real-estate focused. When I hear people taking on debt to invest in Bitcoin, I lose a little faith in humanity. We dont buy average cars or average homes we buy older cars, and smaller homes to cut costs and live a modest life. Basically Mr. Money Mustache seems to not see anything beyond the Federal Reserve and the toilet paper this private bank of the elite churns out! Video compression tech. Bingo, so far you are the only one that stated the true value of any nation backed currency, notably the USD. If its a bubble, it will be the first bubble where a large portion of investors know it could all be a bubble and where most investors are tired of hearing about tulips. The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. No one knows what the stable value of bitcoin will end up, and betting in either direction just seems like a fools errand. Im not so sure youre right about mining them though, especially if you mine with computer hardware that you already have. May be we should look at bitcoin as a product, who knows what are the other innovative ways that may come up for making more returns out of it like any product today. The other argument for Bitcoins value is that there will only ever be 21 million of them, and they will eventually replace all other world currencies, or at least become the new gold, so the fundamental value is either the entire worlds GDP or at least the total value of all gold, divided by 21 million. . Bitcoin dropped 20% overnight, so it is not currently a very reliable store of value. Speculation is fine, as long as you are using only money you are willing to lose. January 3, 2018, 9:18 pm. One thing in that seems to be missing in this conversation that Bitcoin maximalists will always point out: Same wishes to you on your toilet paper fiat money my friend. Were human, so human. Chris Urbaniak Liked. Im not saying to build a bunker or anything but just diversify your portfolio for different economic times. Read Warren Buffets books. January 4, 2018, 2:48 pm. I enjoyed the cancer pill analogy, probably the best I have heard of yet. Consensus over its value. Could you please tell us what you are invested in and when you got in? Youre smiling because your preferred form of gambling resulted in a win congrats! January 2, 2018, 7:25 pm. MMM, you cannot call Bitcoin Stupid and then go tangentially into an Utopian discourse. Look at all the nations that proposed a EUR based oil exchange, all overthrown (no, not saying those were shining examples of humanity but the prioritization is simply correlated enough). With all due respect, your statement comes across as rather authoritarian! Youre confusing outcome with process. So, they sell it at a discount instead of losing revenue. We will have to see if that new blockchain style will win out. January 3, 2018, 8:06 am. Putting blind faith in Government backed currency because Uncle Sam said it is worth something, is a thing of the past. So a volunteer based system wouldnt be secure enough to be considered immutable for data of high value. It isnt enough to live off of, but its definitely nice to have a net $500 or so in my pocket at the end of each month. Update, three years later: Since I wrote this, the imaginary price of Bitcoin has continued to be all over the map it initially dropped over 70%, then it went back up many hundreds of percent, over and over. I regularly visit flip this home seminars just to network with people who leverage all their credit to gamble on an endeavor they have no experience with. Yes, it is true that bonds are *also* in a bubble at the present timeand that the bond bubble is so big that it makes stocks look relatively cheap by comparison. Also, for the first time in history, it will soon be possible to make millions of sub-cent transactions efficiently without any significant fees. January 2, 2018, 6:23 pm. Its all the same stuff that people say about Gold, which is also a totally irrational waste of human investment energy. Bond *prices* are higher than ever today, which is the reciprocal of them having a high yield. They always do.. You could grow more bulbs indefinitely. I am already looking forward to looking back and laughing at all the companies who did away with their normal businesses to become mining companies. There are dozens more data points just like these. This video epitomizes the Bitcoin market right now. But nobody seems to be able to put together a real reason why Bitcoin isnt the next Pets.com, Uberartist My gosh, where do you these people come from? I agree totally. However, in 2004 when Facebook was being launched it was looked at as a funny little friend site. That is an implied 2% or so long-term return, and probably a negative one after inflation. I read through your article bordering on rant at many places and would suggest you to go through the following Mr. Money Mustache. Ive been watching this situation for a few years, and assuming it would just blow over so we wouldnt have to talk about it here in this place where we are supposed to be busy improving our lives. by jlcollinsnh 18 Comments. Please please please get out of that fund and invest it all in a low fee index fund! That means over the next 2 years, the Shiller P/E will be rolling out some of the terrible earnings numbers from the global financial crisis. Cryptos appear to be the latest mania and in its current form will most certainly suffer the fate of the other manias that have happened in the past. I linked to Aswath Damodarans video on my Bitcoin post also. 1. Now the ball has reached proportions where it could blow up anytime, and people in this forum are talking about the small change like the bubble and P/E ratio in the stock market. The US has most to lose if dollars are exchanged for bitcoin as the US will not be able to print the cash for almost no cost and then get countries to use it for payment (my advice is be very worried about dollar value over next 10 years) but it was genius and made America rich! ), Im in the same boat. Note that he didnt say the underlying technology (blockchain) is stupid. I agree with you. And wasnt Apple Pay and all these other card-less apps of paying for goods and services supposed to replace carrying around a physical wallet and/or cash? Mr. Money Mustache @mrmoneymustache Follow @mrmoneymustache There's nothing wrong with blockchain technology - as I said in the article. Naturally sentiment plays an important role in BTCs price. That is where we are with Bitcoins. January 19, 2018, 6:45 pm. January 3, 2018, 12:15 pm. That said, I did buy $300 of Bitcoin back in November (which is a tiny fraction of a percentage of our net worth) on the off chance it keeps escalating like crazy. The good news is that more transactions alone wouldnt raise the energy cost (although more transactions are currently impossible anyway), and if Bitcoin raised the price of electricity in one country it would probably just cause people to mine somewhere else. Mr. Money Mustache shares his opinion about Bitcoin. As the people in Greece and Iceland found out, along with people in many other countries. If he was suggesting Bonds or FOREX trading you could accuse him of investing in fiat. It stays below the prior high for decade at least, sometimes forever. Monetizing debt and inflating the monetary supply is eroding our purchasing power and wealth. There valuation of pretty much everything but Bitcoin and Ethereum is unjustifiable. Unlike gold or tulip bulbs or cigarettes or salt, no one desires dollars as goods in and of themselves. The need for a cryptocurrency is very real. It just means that some price levels are reasonable, and some are not. Is Bitcoin eventually going to replace the physical green back dollars and coins in our pockets? *pop*. Because it is. Bitcoin isnt that though. Bitcoin didnt fly off the charts until a couple of months ago, after (maybe) finding itself in the perfect storm to take a bubble to biblical proportions. They could also plateau until earnings catchup with prices. Blockchain technology may do that too. LennStar Plus, it costs something like $20 per transaction. Investing means buying an asset that actually creates products and services and cashflow for an extended period of time. This results in a silent crash, and a loss in purchasing power for stock holderseven if the nominal price of stocks remains the same. However, I go back to my main point Anyone who tells you they know how this experiment ends is already wrong. Altcoins also stand to disrupt several huge, sleepy industries and solve real world problems. Most of this money is being spent on military operations to secure foreign resources and kill people will dissenting viewpoints in the name of national security. Do you fault coffee or corn or wheat for being non-productive, or do you appreciate them as goods, at an appropriate price? So no surprise thats the first one, especially considering you need it to make the system work at all. There are many reasonable prices for these goods that are non-speculative in nature. I dare you to look it up! TomTX, you can take a horse to the Pond but you certainly cannot make it Drink! in my opinion. People get excited about Bitcoin when the price goes up, but thats because they like making money not because the underlying object has any actual value or usefulness. Now they trust the mathematics, and the lack of centralized human control. Update, my fingernails are up to $160,000 now. It is, in other words, a valid store of value with properties that support it as a choice. The sooner we debunk the myth and come to our senses, the richer our world will be. What usually happens when this occurs? Watch on. I really would hope that MMM doesnt sell out like most social influencers but regardless not understanding the technology is no excuse for spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt about it. They said they are going to ban it, but there was such public outcry the government just backed off and now says they are still discussing the matter! 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