Then I found all the spots around the world in them and talked about them as being set in the world as a whole, saying that was a fitting poetry for now, when were all crossing borders all the time: spanning geography is the main event today, because there are so many people. Everyone who went there was either black or Hispanic. For your work, from that angle, the place to start would be the collages you make, your visual art. 83DR: Yes, right, on one level, shall we say? There is, however, some hope to be found in Millions of Us, which ends We have this project to / change our silence into the beautiful city of a voice. vol. Alice Notley has become one of Americas greatest living poets. New York: Chax Press, 2010. And its influenced by dactylic hexameter. Poetry itself can be thought of as that which comes from afar. At the moment, it feels like theres not much going on there; because its all going on at the surface actually. NOTLEY, Alice. Her poems have also been compared to Gertrude Stein, as well as her contemporary Bernadette Mayer. However, when you dream you get more, particularly images, which I dont have enough of right now. Philip Gourevitch. Alma, or The Dead Women. I gave a talk on his poetry last month, in New York, which I wrote during the cold snap, when it was too cold to go out for three days. When I read. These places are continuously operating as presences in your poetry, particularly the Needles of your youth, in California, the Lower Manhattan in the heyday of New York School Poetry, and the Paris of today. Over the course of her career, Alice Notley has achieved something astounding: each of her nearly 30 books is different from the last one yet unmistakably hers. 98DR: Frank OHara was strongly influenced by Williams, and you in turn take a lot from OHara. Within the text, a woman is desperate to take her daughter above ground, therefore she offers to pay the tyrant money. I was her teacher, though Im not much older than she is, about four years older. There were four kids, including a couple still at home. He was my political education really. That unusual, horizontal format was probably done to fit the long lines in. NOTLEY, Alice. DR: Thats what Ted Berrigan was about: taking things from here and there, picking them up, and making them his own. NOTLEY, Alice. However, I dont know what I was listening to when I was beginning to write. Notley borrows images and inspirations from popular cultural (Muhammed Ali and Marlon Brando in 30thBirthday and comic books in The Ten Best Issues of Comic Books), as well as the more serious literary world. In this interview, she mentions other New York Poets (John Ashbery, James Schuyler, Frank OHara, Kenneth Koch, Ron Padgett, Eileen Myles, Anne Waldman, Joe Brainard, Allan Ginsberg, and Bernadette Mayer). At Berrigan's behest, his students at Northeastern became very active members of the local poetry scene, starting magazines and reading series. For the Ride skirts the edge of that story-sense. , Wesleyan University Press, 2006 (p.292-293), reproduced with permission of the author. Courtesy of Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim, April 2018. They bring to mind the French tradition of Guillaume Apollinaires Calligrams (Notley has lived in Paris since the nineties), and their playfulness brings some relief to the poems voyaging. She was born in Bisbee, Arizona and grew up in Needles, California. While Notley had written on motherhood prior to Songs, this book was her first to focus fully on the matter and is the first full-length book of a New York School-affiliated poet to take on the task of addressing poetry's sexism and the pressures and setbacks of motherhood in both personal and creative life. damn whether they eat or not. Tracing the fight for equality and womens rights through poetry. Notley remained fairly prolific during this era, writing and publishing several full-length collections. DR: You quote the powerful, assertive voice of Marianne Moore in a poem. River beneath appearances. She lives in Paris. Join now Sign in . My parents were from Arizona. Baby (1979). Also in my poem Disobedience (2001), I got the title in a dream about him. I grew up among Native Americans. 73DR: Did you like doing it? Death, grief, and spirituality were terrain that the fast talk of New York School poetics hadnt fully engaged; so, too, was the political and feminist consciousness growing in Notleys work. AN: I wrote an essay about her work in a book of essays called. Indeed, French poetry has had some weird times, where it got so abstract. Other possible issues: goofy works, "description," dreams (the new gen), school of Susie Timmons, rejuvenation of the "found work," the "line," how to be like Elinor [Nauen] and Maggie [Dubris], how to cultivate inventiveness, strategies for dry spell, dictionaries, diaries, little plays, calligrams, tiles, left-hand margins, how to get great theories and general self-improvement. Notleys work stands as a testament to how difficult it is to be truly individual. When I was becoming a poet, folk music was popular; Bob Dylan was getting started; and he was that kind of magpie. All rights reserved. She has long written in narrative and epic and genre-bending modes to discover new ways to explore the nature of the self and the social and cultural importance of disobedience. STEIN, Gertrude. ASHBERY, John. And its influenced by dactylic hexameter. And that other one was something I just picked up from the sidewalk. How do we make sense of ourselves in relation to huge abstract institutions such as democracy, the state, and marriage? dreams. She made one change when she worked for James Schuyler, and she adopted a version of his short line, though after that theres little change, except a few years ago, when she started putting in spaces between thoughts: in a new way she created some disjunction she had never had before. To quote: If its a spiritual offense does it as wrongdoing take place more in more in the second leftover/ as a leftover and is the significance of the double now that I might be might the /one who offends Have you heard it read? Those are the ones Im working on right now, which have to do with my poetry of the moment. New York: New Directions, 1962. 22DR: Like Ted Berrigan and Anne Waldman reading at Saint Marks church their collaborative poem, Memorial Day (May 6, 1971), that episode of Public Access Television, June 16, 1977, where you and Eileen Myles read together must count among the great New York School moments still on record. She edited and wrote the introduction for the reissue of Ted Berrigans The Sonnets (2000), as well as editing, with her sons, The Collected Poems of Ted Berrigan (2005). Its flowing world is populated by characters who seem to personify indeterminate pronouns (like a shaman named Qui) and theres a general defiance of set categories: and if one who renews refuses / gender? Need a transcript of this episode? From February through June 1974 in Wivenhoe, Essex, Notley wrote her book Songs for the Unborn Second Baby (United Artists, 1979). Education: Barnard College, New York, B.A. They ran away into abstract poetry: that makes a lot of sense to me. At that point Alice Notley was finding New York less amenable and was keen to go somewhere else. I picked ten poems at random to see how dispersed they were based on my working theory that they had a wide geographical scope. Raw language is the final material we have; it is only by shaping and reshaping it that we can hope to rebuild our world. Coming After. Songs for the Unborn Second Baby. AN: He was a good friend. Her children, Anselm Berrigan and Edmond Berrigan are both New York Poets of a younger generation. In the serious, reflective poem, Your Dailiness (1971), you mention finally understanding Willem de Koonings painting. In this emblematic early piece, the text spills across the page. Her mother was Polish and her father Irish. The Man in the Long Black Coat, (1989) by Bob Dylan influenced the sound of the first two parts, which I wrote last. I had met him in 1969, then we stayed friends. Aeneas founded a city, Rome. Notley's early work laid both formal and theoretical groundwork for several generations of poets; she is considered a pioneering voice on topics like motherhood and domestic life. There are passing moments that neednt be dwelled upon, but if youre going to go to war against a couple of countries, I think you merit an accusation of doing just that. The Man in the Long Black Coat, (1989) by Bob Dylan influenced the sound of the first two parts, which I wrote last. DR: Its incredible because, I just re-read. AN: He has complete syntactical thoughts, then he interrupts things at the conjunction. White Phosphorus [4] Notley's second book, Phoebe Light, was published in 1973 by Bill Berkson's Bolinas-based press Big Sky.[5]. 17AN: Yes, they were the two Irish of the set. Eileen was in it, as was Bob Holman. 30DR: In your work, theres something in the interstices between thoughts thats both intriguing and active. With Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), Notley once again takes on the challenge of creating a feminist epic. NOTLEY, Alice. NOTLEY, Alice and Ted BERRIGAN, editors. The signature of her work is a restless reinvention and a distrust of groupthink that remains true to her forebears directive: to not give a damn. DR: Yes, those are full of imagery: evidently, they have all kinds of signification. I actually feel bad when I dont write, like yesterday, but I always have something going on. Syringa. Houseboat Days. Written after the death of her brother, a Vietnam veteran who suffered from PTSD, Notleys searing elegy challenges the Western poetic tradition by drawing attention to its complicity in war making and empire building. I knew him in New York, where I saw him from time to time; but after I moved here, he sought me out. 53DR: The disturbing political and historical moment we are experiencing could disrupt many collective dreams. DR: The disturbing political and historical moment we are experiencing could disrupt many. As in her feminist epic The Descent of Alette, the quotation marks here both interrupt and sustain. In his humorous anti-manifesto, Personism, the poet Frank OHara discloses one of arts great truths: you just go on your nerve. Considering this truth, he wonders, But how can you really care if anybody gets it, or gets what it means, or if it improves them. In the search for immediacy, he writes, questions of accessibility can come to seem pointless: Improves them for what? And with popularity comes influence: one thinks of the sunny romanticism and Instagram-readiness of Having a Coke with You (the more abstract, difficult side of OHaras work has yet to gain influencer status). 4Since then, her poetry has continued to flow and evolve. Mysteries of Small Houses (1998) won the Los Angeles Times Book Prize, and her collection Disobedience (2001) was awarded the Griffin International Poetry Prize. 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DR: Eileen Myles is another poet who comes from an Irish, working-class, New England background and lost her father. He taught some writing: one writing class, and one civilization and literature class. For death? She was in my workshop. I think its just all out there. Ed. For instance this collage that you put on the cover of. New York: Penguin, 2001. Ive never thought of her as a poet: sometimes I think she doesnt know anything about poetry at all. In 1986, Notley led a workshop where participants were required to write an entire book during the course of their meetings. [7], In 1974, Berrigan got a job as a visiting poet at University of Essex, so Notley and Berrigan, with their son Anselm, relocated first to London, then to Brightlingsea in Essex. He spent two years in India, which changed everything about him. Alice Notley was born in Bisbee, Arizona in 1945 and grew up in Needles, California in the Mojave Desert. 39DR: It seems to be an inspired collage. 100DR: What do you think of Gertrude Stein and of the kind of permutations she does: almost like rolling things around in your mouth? I always liked his paintings. I'm calling out from pictures to your vision creating it. His reviews and interviews have appeared in Kenyon Review, The Rumpus, and Pleiades. There werent a lot of cacti where I lived, but there were a lot of bushes. Even as One goes questing, other voices appear, speak against each other, refract. 45DR: Its also what Andr Breton mentions, in his book, Nadja (1963): staying at the Htel des Grands Hommes with his surrealist friends, who wont get into the Panthon either. Alice Notley was born in Bisbee, Arizona in 1945 and grew up in Needles, California in the Mojave Desert. Her Mysteries of Small Houses (1998) was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. 49DR: In that book, the heroine is a true medium who can look at someones face and know things, and at the end she is taken off to the asylum; Andr Breton then rails for two pages about how misguided asylums are, which makes your collage seem to be broaching the question of clairvoyance in terms of surrealistic, poetic culture. Would you like to come? I didnt go. NOTLEY, Alice. The words at night the states serve as a refrain that marks the beginning of each stanza. New York: Penguin Books, 1977. Then he writes poetry in the variable foot which is a huge influence on my later work. AN: When its around me, I take it in. If this poem demonstrates her abiding interest in metaphysics, it also speaks to the immediate political realities of being a woman writer. These ideas are all very tangible, yet somewhat unconnected when conversed about and referred to. Its deliberate, in order to find something out. 214, fall 2015, p.34-121. 47DR: Its incredible because, I just re-read Nadja recently. 36AN: Like dolmensyes, something like that. Alice Notley, Polaroid photo taken in Needles, CA, c.1985, courtesy of the artist, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. What if youre not sure what kind of person you are? The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. 214, fall 2015, p.34-121. Alice Notley (born 8 November 1945) is an American poet. 25AN: Yes, and she hasnt changed much. ASHBERY, John. AN: We were children then, basically. AN: Yes, towards the end of number fourteen, the last one. There are others over there. New York: TPR. Born: Bisbee, Arizona, 8 November 1945. It always felt to me like I was enacting ideas that visual artists had normally, that I was figuring it out. A woman whose work completely knocked me out. London: B.T. About two-thirds of the way through the book theres a dream that has to do with a poet that has written a poem called disobedience: the poet was Kenneth in the dream, but, such is dream logic, it was really me. because theres something resembling skulls going on here with the top of the fan supports. There was a black woman at a desk when I went in who said, What are you doing here? I just sat down and replied, Im a widow; Ive got two children; I know its been a year and a half since my husband died; Im trying to stay at home as much as I can and I have a part-time job (I was working for Allen Ginsberg at the time). That particular poem is in your selected poems, in Grave of Light (2006), and it was presented upright on the page, but it was published in a review called Chain (2000) and in the Best American Poetry series (2001) where it was horizontal on the page. Said Let there be lightbulbs & liquefaction. There are others of course, but could you begin by speaking around those atmospheres? And the past & future & I born too. Then I figured out how to write them, so they enter the text. NOTLEY, Alice. A semicolon becomes a semi-precious garnet cluster for the way it telegraphs these audacious leaps. She also experimented with channeling spirits of deceased loved ones, primarily men gone from her life like her father and her husband, poet Ted Berrigan, and used these conversations as topics and form on her poetry. I felt I knew what the cry house was, and had ideas about it: I knew how to use regional things. The whole point of the Aeneid is to take away from her the founding of a city, and transform her into this love suicide, and to rob her of her power. Ohara discloses one of arts great truths: you quote the powerful, assertive voice of Marianne Moore in book. To when I dont write, like yesterday, but there were a lot of.! 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